2 bedrooms required

[vito]

Hello,
PMGroup is preparing a special long term program for russian student groups for season 2009 (3 months from June-August), and our partners require more 2 bedroom apartments in Nessebar fort club. Please, if interested, mail at quality@pmgroup.bg for rates and conditions.
vito

[Garyjs]

I do hope this is a joke

Surely you are not really thinking of filling a family complex with students?

I guess it may help get a road crossing if they come home in the same state as most students, on all fours.

Gary

[Linda Lyons]

Hi Garys,totally agree with you,this is NOT what we signed up for,a family complex means people with babies and young children,certainly the two as in students don't mix,we all know how students behave is that what we want our kids to see and hear and indeed ourselves,nobody should agree to making their apt. available,we'd like to keep the few facilities we have in the condition there in!!

[alan]

i can only second what as already been said,also if anybody is letting their apartment with FN you had better be careful if they plan to let your apartment out to these students

alan

[vito]

Have to disagree with you. I would say, we have been quite successful last 2 years with student programs in Panorama/Marina view complexes in Vlas. No complaints and no issues.
And also, being pretentious for the type of tourists in a "family???!!!" complex, with totally tourist unfriendly blocks looking more like military base, long away from the sea, middle of nowhere, with construction works going on just outside the fence, in a very competitive environment, and expected really bad rental season, sounds for me quite naive and inappropriate. I know, now most of you will get angry on my, but this is not why i am writing. Come on OWNERS, wake up, open your eyes and look around, stop trusting what you have been told when you bought your precious apartments, there are thousands like you out there in Sunny Beach ready to rent out for 5 euros per night, with better location, in better complexes and with better apartments. Our companies are here to help you, not to take your money, we are trying to make the impossible, we lie to the tour operators on your behalf promising how beautiful your complex is, and that is why i think we deserve more appreciation. Yes, i know, most of you will say, ok, but i will make my own rental web page and will generate rentals myself, but what is the guarantee that you will succee, and why not taking more options when the one is not excluding the other one. And what about the hundreds of owners who don't have the possibility to spend time on internet and make own rentals them self? In just 2 years they will have an empty full of moist unused "investment", old fashioned furniture, lots of unpaid bills, and here is where the dream faces the truth.
Yes, dear owners, i expect your angry comments on my post. But i have to say, i am also an owner in Sunny Beach, i live here since i was born, and i am doing rentals for many many years now, so if you try to convince me in something, better have solid arguments, not just playing optimists and calling a holiday village "a family complex". Students and children programs will not harm your peace for sure. Actually, finding more than 17 enquiries from owners about my offer today proves that fortunately many owners have opened their eyes.
vito

[Garyjs]

>>>> with totally tourist unfriendly blocks looking more like military base, long away from the sea, middle of nowhere, with construction works going on just outside the fence <<<<

...................................................... Priceless ............................................

Gary

[Linda Lyons]

Vito,that was the most patronising speech i have ever heard and a total insult to peoples intelligence,first of all to say the least it is full of blatent lies and deceptions,to say apt.owners in Sunny beach are delighted to take €5 a night for their apts. is beyond laughable,firstly it would cost the owner more then this maintenance and bills for their stay so i doubt as desperate you think we are that anyone would run the risk of that with their PRECIOUS!! apts and there is of course the LITTLE issue of the damage being caused to their apt.and furnishings,and then you dress this up by saying that you are trying to HELP!! us poor unfortunates that were foolish enough to buy an apt that resonbles a war zone in the middle of nowhere away from the sea ,building works etc going on,now come off it,if the complex is so bad,WHY DON'T YOU RENT THESE €5 A NIGHT MORE UPMARKET COMPLEXES for your students and leave us alone,you then go on to prove how DEVIOUS,DISHONEST AND CUNNING you are by going on to say the blatent lies that you have told to tour operators to get their custom,that alone is liable to say the least,and ofcourse you are doing this on our behalf WHO ASKED YOU TO!!!!!!!!!! and if you had such a big heart wheres the thought for these poor students that you deceived into thinking they were going to end up in paradise!! I REST MY CASE THERE,and then you seem to have a warped sense of predicting the future in saying that the complex is going to end up an empty sorrowful sight with old fashioned furniture etc,well firstly all furniture world wide regardless of where it is, it dates,a bit like people,and regarding empty apts,owners,family ,friends,and so forth will be using them as is the case in all complexes,if your deceptions and lies are any reflection of the way you do business,i certainly wouldn't want to be on the receiving end,and lastly if we are to beleive that you have got 17 enquiries to date (WHICH I BELEIVE TO BE A MARKETING STUNT) they will REMAIN just that ENQUIRIES!!!!!!!!

[BWFC]

i would say this vito chap or chappie is targeting our complex because of the size of it and its location thinking he will get a bargain price ie €5 a night. he is right its not in a very good location but the apartments were very cheap compared to others closer to sunny beach. so i am guessing most people have paid for there apartment not mortgaged them. so we are not desperate for this rental income. but if people want to rent out there is nothing we can do. if they are anything like british students god help us

[vito]

Dear Linda Lyons,
I can see from your post how exited you can get when somebody has a different view on what you have imagined and i presume you take it really personal when somebody like me (the typical bulgarian cheater that tries to rip off all the naive british investors in the area ) is offending owners with statements that sound really different than they have been told and started to believe. I don't want to be so rude, i really understand your point of view and apologize that i have insulted you or other owners. Owners have to protect their believes and especially when they have invested so much money in such a risky adventure like buying a property in Bulgaria. To be ownest, i envy you a bit because of your ambition and strong position, i wish i had the same hopes and optimistic view after so many years dealing with properties in the area of Sunny Beach. I believe you are just in the beginning of a long process and this is your first year of experience in Bulgaria and property investment. Hopefully you will have the luck of the newbeginner, really. Anyway, i will not try to change your mind and this way making you even more angry and offended, but as you have directed so heavy accusations against me and called me a liar just seeing one post, i feel like i have to spend more time here in the forum and defend my self by putting an accent on some important points which i want to be seen by all the forum members:
1. About the 5 euros per night- it is true that currently there is SC accommodation in Sunny beach for 5 euros per bed (not per apt). Many hotels first line also sell very cheap now due to the crisis. We have so many examples with some apartment owners which are ready to lower the rental rates to incredible levels just because they feel free to put any "working" rate on the market and are afraid from the crisis and competition. Just look in internet and see apartment prices right now - same type of apartment in same complex could be found from 30 to 90 euros per night.
2. The owners who have contracts with our company are the reason why we put so much efforts in finding tour operators and holiday makers for their apartments. (To BWFC) If i have to be honest, Nesebar Fort is not my favorite complex and i have not "targeted" it, actually our company operates in more than 63 holiday villages and apart-complexes, most of them are really attractive and full of facilities that Nessebar fort does not have. But it is my obligation after having so many Letting agreements with owners in NFC, to attract tour operators and include the complex in our rental program for 2009. And yes, i am sick a bit from hearing same question so many times after an owner contacts our staff - "what rental income you will guarantee me?", but this is my business and i have the responsibility to grant rentals, no matter if there are students, families or just tourists.
3. It is about just 30 students in 3 groups, actually they are schoolboys and kids from Russia, and i don't think they will damage the complex, ruin its reputation or make so big noise.
4. My company is doing business and rentals since 2005, and if you look carefully in forums, internet or ask some of our hundreds of clients, i doubt you will find any negative feedback about our work, we certainly have helped to hundreds of owners to generate rentals and make profit on a professional basis and we appreciate our clients requirements - we would NEVER rent an apartment on owner's behalf on a rate that the owner has not accepted (for. ex. 5 euros). PMGroup is not in Sunny Beach for just one season and we have strong positions and strong policy, which includes relations with our clients on a long term basis. I invite all owners (and especially Linda) who doubt this to visit our offices and just have a talk with our property management staff.
5. It is really easy to judge from such a big distance and put accusations in forums, but i don't think having rude attitude, showing optimistic behaviour and writing with big letters in internet will change the arising huge problem with missing interest from tour operators and holiday makers for Bulgaria. i am not an optimist, but not a pessimist either, and will welcome every owner who says: "it is time to face the truth, there are thousands of empty apartments in this area and low interest from tourists, let's do something together in this direction".
6. I do not force anybody to take our option, especially when he/she thinks it is against his rules or belief, or because he/she has a different opinion. Quite many companies like ours operate in FN complexes and every owner has the opportunity to choose a management company that suits him/her best. I have faced so many times the problem with the suspicion and mistrust in the beginning of our relation with foreign clients. it is a matter of long time before a british client starts trusting and rely on a bulgarian company, when there are so many cheaters out there and rumours are spreading through the owners about the "bulgarian way of doing business". Maybe that's the reason why so many British run companies are operating in our area, so, Linda Lyons, if you are not happy with our way of doing business, just turn to other companies like BiB services, Lion Maintenance, Phoenix UK, Fresh Accommodation, Sawone Services, they for sure will respond to your requirement of "British way of doing business" (and will write in better English than me )
7. Unfortunately, Linda Lyons, it is not a marketing stunt, 23 enquiries so far, and we need just 4-5 apartments for our school program, which means we have to disappoint many owners. Thaks to all that wrote to us!
vito

[Linda Lyons]

Vito,took a while for your response but sure better late then never,say what you will,it doesn't alter the fact that you want to put russian students into the complex,which by the way would need more accomodation then 4-5 apts for 30 people ,unless you intend having them like sardines, which poses more problems for e.g health and safety but sure if there paying what harm!!! Also in point 3 you say you don't THINK they will damage the complex or make noise but you don't/can't give any guarantees,as a rental agency surely you have other complex owners on your books equally desperate to rent their apts.so WHY are you choosing to Help FN owners seeing as our complex is so under rated and isolated and as you have 63 other complexes on your books,why not Help them,and by the way i didn't need to call you a liar as you did that yourself when you said that you have to LIE to tour operators about the standard of the complex to attract custom,it would make one wonder are these other apt.owners as desperate as you make out to rent!!!!

[Garyjs]

Dear Vito

The reason us apartment owners are against you bringing groups of students onto OUR complex, is that we all know how British students behave, I hope for your sake that Russian students are nothing like ours.

My parents stayed in a Hotel in the centre of sunny Beach 2 years ago, a party of German students spent the week in the same hotel, they got no sleep & all of the sun beds & plant pots ended up in the pool with said students at 3am most mornings

Will the owners of any apartments that you let to students have to pay more maintenance charge to pay to fix the damage caused, or will the owners like myself that bought fore private use only also have to foot the bill?

If they wreck my holiday, what actions do you intend taking?

Do you own an apartment, if so will you be trying to put students in next door, only from June to August?

Could you please post your mobile number so that I can give you a call if your students are running riot in the apartments adjacent to mine at 4am June – August?

Thank You

Gary

[vito]

I see the same old story. It seems again that the real estate agencies didn't properly their jobs when they sold the apartments. Nesebar fort club is a holiday village with a "mixed use" purpose, which means it could be rented out from the owners or it could be used as a residential complex. So, right now there are surely over 50% of the owners ready to rent out, and another part - against it because they need a holiday in peace. I don't see my fault in this, owners ask me to find tenants, and i do my job. Unfortunately i will be not the only rental agent there. Fort noks is also working to find tour operators.
The reason i try to find more apartments in NFC is that the complex is close to the Aquapark which the russian kids like. And NO, they will not be like sardines, i already mentioned that we have already 7-8 apartments in our books, but need 4-5 more, if possible in one block or very close to each other, in order the teachers to have better control over the kids.
Linda Lyons and Gary, what is the difference if PMGroup or other company, or just private owners bring tourists next door to you when you are on holiday? Your peace will be disturbed anyway. Students or kids, English or Russian, they always want to have fun and are potential danger for your peace. The last 4-5 years Sunny Beach became a famous holiday destination for yougsters due to a chap alcohol, lots of discos and clubs, and this changed totally its outlook and functions. If i have to honest, i don't like this fact either, and i was forced to change our rental strategy and look for different kind of partners.
You should inform your selves better when you bought in that complex, that there will be letting going on. If my school program does not succee, possibly other "danger" will arise, sooner or later.
vito

[Linda Lyons]

you never mentioned on any of your previous posts that you already had 7-8 apts already on your books,but then again being truthful isn't your strongest point,so if owners are foolish enough to rent, your students will be occupying 13 apts. approx,how can you compare this to people next door bringing kids, teenagers etc at least if there was a problem it would and could be contained,whereas 30 students running riot in the complex is an entirely different matter,you say you choose NFC because of its closeness to Aqua park,but what about Nessebar aqua park or indeed all the other parks along the coast,you also say that you have sucessfully ran similar programs in complexes in St Vlas so why don't you take these russian students there where you had no problems,you seem to be trying to convey that you are only doing your job in that ,owners ask you to rent for them and that is what you are doing,but i very much doubt ,desperate an all as you say they are, they would run the risk of renting to students who more then likely will end up costing them money,you are meerly trying to lower the tone of this FAMILY complex so that it will become THE PLACE for students to run wild in season after season,in your original post you stated that i had a problem with people who disagree with me,but you have proven that thats your own story,face it you targeted our complex because you felt that people here would be desperate enough to go along regardless,i hope your mistaken.

P.S.the number of views for this topic are increasing by the day,pity some of ye wouldn't express your views on the forum ,after all it effects us all,ye'll be sorry when ye're lying awake waiting for these students to finally go to bed!!!

[Garyjs]

P.S.the number of views for this topic are increasing by the day,pity some of ye wouldn't express your views on the forum ,after all it effects us all,ye'll be sorry when ye're lying awake waiting for these students to finally go to bed!!!

Hi Linda

It does seem odd with the number of apartments on the complex & only a handfull of us showing any concern, I guess all the others are just buy to let.

Gary

[Linda Lyons]

Hi Gary,it would seem that is the story,but there forgetting that when they go for a holiday they'll have the problem,hopefully it won't happen though!Lyn